Let us start with this...one of Rear Admiral Thorps henchmen in the Navy's office of MISINFORMATION, one Lt. Shaun Robertson still has not ANSWERED our questions, though he did try to RE FRAME those questions in a morning phone call. More importantly, I asked Lt. Robertson to EMAIL the answers he did give me so that I could VERIFY the Navy's answers, and at an appropriate later date use them to impunge their character, and prove in a complaint to the Navy's IG that Rear Admiral Thorp and his staff when presented with STRAIGHT FORWARD QUESTIONS lie if it suits their purposes, even when the public has proof that REFUTES their CANNED Propaganda. Let us preserve the Nuclear Navy's SAFETY MYTH, hide radiation leaks at all costs...is that the name of the play there Mr. Thorp...yes, you are correct in assuming I afford your stripes NO RESPECT. Even the sin of DELIBERATE OMISSION makes you nothing more than a liar, the leader in the proverbial Den of Thieves.
The Navy's Submarine Group prides itself on its silence, is willing to go to great extremes to protect it...it is literally a part of the fabric of those who have spent time in the Silent Service. The Nuclear Navy takes the old naval adage "Lose Lips Sink Ships" to new and dangerous extremes. Do you think I and other bloggers are unaware of the Submarine Creed, the unwritten order that speaking about a mission or AN ACCIDENT is considered A BREECH OF OPERATIONAL SECURITY. Tell me Mr. Thorp how we get to the latent weaknesses that caused this accident? How can similar accidents be avoided if your dearly loved CODE OF SILENCE allows these latent weaknesses to go uncorrected. What happens when the next time occurs, and your Nuclear Navy is not as lucky as they were this time around?
We already know the CO is gone...he failed in JOB ONE, or at least makes a convenient SCAPEGOAT in appeasing those that must be appeased, such as Congress. What is JOB ONE? Avoid a Tier 1 EVENT...WHOOPS, failed that one now haven't we? (For those wondering, a Tier One event is a grounding, collision or death.)Someone pass that man a bottle and a shot glass. In a nuclear powered Submarine (or other military vessel)we as a nation and a world cannot AFFORD accident, cannot afford collisions as the cost in human lives lost in a serious incident are far to grave to even consider in this post. Simply stated, the entire crew of the USS Hartford should be summarily dismissed and processed for discharge...like it or not, a ships crew is a TEAM, and this is even more true on board a sub, and a team either succeeds or fails as a team...this team HAS FAILED. (ORSE scores aside.)
Let me give you an example of the Stupidity of your CODE OF SILENCE there Mr. Admiral Thorp. I live in New York, was in New York city the day the twin towers went down. Unlike Janet Napolitano, I am not willing to call Terrorist Attacks and those who plan/perpetrate them as "Human caused disasters." I want a secure America, want our border with Mexico closed, and those that are not supposed to be here (including Illegals Aliens) deported. I want DHS and our military doing their jobs, and using some commonsense...the Navy seems to often to IGNORE commonsense. I'll not share everything I have surmised about the USS Hartford incident, but instead will illustrate my point in a different fashion.
You hold an event in the Navy (in April) to celebrate the April 11 (I think 1900) purchase of a gas powered submarine, that event being if you will the BIRTH DATE of the modern American Submarine service. You can get information on various plans at various locations as each base holds its own separate events (one for enlisted men and one for officers) to celebrate the Birthday of American Submarines. Without even trying, I was able to identify 17 Bloggers that are married to members of the Navy blogging about this event, including the exact location of the Event at the Hilton Hotel.
Let me guess here Admiral Thorp...IT NEVER OCCURRED TO YOU or your staff to have Operational Security for these events...how many high ranking members of BASE COMMAND usually attend these events. (Having attended a few, and been in hotels while others were being held, I have a pretty good idea.) Have you or anyone else ever asked yourselves how easily one of these events could be COMPROMISED when information about the when and where of them is SO EASILY AVAILABLE ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB?...HELLO, 17 BLOGGERS, and I did not even break a sweat. Maybe it is just me, but if these wives of Officers need their online stitch and bitch sessions with each other, it MIGHT make good sense to give them a blogging area behind a firewall or two?
Your ability to keep speculation down among those that have retired from active service is NO BETTER. Have you or your staff really started LOOKING to findout out what all is actually out there on the net, including some very well written surmises from people in the know on the USS Hartford incident? Do you think I just pulled the Radiation Leak out of thin air? Here is an example of THE EASY STUFF:
UPDATED 03/27/2009 NavyMil, USS Hartford, USS New OrleansUndergo Extensive Assessments. Both Safety Board and Judge Advocate General Manual (JAGMAN) Investigations are underway.
A preliminary assessment indicate the initial impact3 may have rolled(rotation about the fwd-aft or surge axis) the Hartford to starboard a whopping 85o—that'll spill your "midrats" soup and piss-off the pastry chef!
NavyMil, USS Hartford - Three Hi-Res Photo The Hartford's sail is sheared from the superstructure and bent port to starboard.
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UPDATED 03/23/2009 NavyMil, USS Hartford and USS New Orleans Arrive In Port Bahrain.
It appears Hartford was snorkeling (aka snorting) when it collided with the New Orleans.(see comments)The buckled sail prevents the lowering of the
snorkelantenna2 by normal means.
- UPDATED 03/21/2009 Reuters, Navy vessels damaged in Strait of
Hormuz collision. Hartford at Bahrain port of Mina Salman undergoing
damage assessment.
UPDATED 03/21/2009 Navy Times, Navy vessels damaged in Strait of Hormuz collision.
This post will continue in another article where we can discuss for instance the Steel Plate issue, its adequacy or lack thereof on the USS New Orleans. A BUMP with a submarine left a gaping 16-18 foot hole in this ship, and spilled 25,000 gallons of fuel. I have some DESIGN CONCERNS here folks, and think they should have been caught and foreseen BEFORE THIS ACCIDENT. Obviously we have a thickness and strength question, but even more alarming...who SIGNED OFF ON THE FUEL TANK(s) BEING SO ACCESSIBLE to Enemy Attack? Think here a well aimed should aunched rocket could create a serious issue? Is that a part of this investigation, and will the up line officers guilty of this stupidity see their careers ENDED?
NEW ORLEANS, Nov. 8, 2002 (PRIMEZONE) -- Northrop Grumman Corporation (NYSE:NOC) and the U.S. Navy today commemorated the keel laying for USS New Orleans (LPD 18), the second of 12 ships in the Navy's San Antonio-class of amphibious transport dock ships being built by Northrop Grumman's Ship Systems sector. A photo accompanying this releases is available at: http://media.primezone.com/noc/ The ship was assigned the name New Orleans in recognition of Louisiana's largest city and to honor one of the world's major ports. LPD 18 is being built at the company's Avondale Operations in New Orleans.
Of course, if you do not want to have that CONVERSATION, maybe we could discuss what AMERICA's Nuclear Navy does not want US AND THE WORLD TO KNOW....(did I mention I love FISHING?)
Submarines routinely discharge radioactive waste into the ocean (Actually, I'm surprised that this guy doesn't know that). Technically, primary coolant isn't dangerously radioactive. Additionally, the reactor compartment is sealed with a locked vault door; piping leaks are not a problem, since the water would never reach the crew compartments.
The PRIMER for PART TWO
San Antonio was christened, by Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, during a ceremony at Northrop Grumman Ship Systems (NGSS) Avondale Operations in New Orleans. It is the first surface ship ever designed in "virtual reality,” using computer modeling to design most of the ship before any steel was ever cut. It is also the first to feature the Advanced Enclosed Mast/Sensor system that replaces conventional masts, protecting radar and communications antennas from weather and allowing their electronic signals to pass through. The San Antonio class will functionally replace more than 41 ships (LPD 4, LSD 36, LKA 113 and LST 1179 classes of amphibious ships) providing the Navy and Marine Corps with modern, sea-based platforms.
Northrop's new warship class deemed combat ready
By Jim WolfWASHINGTON, May 2 (Reuters) - The San Antonio, first in a new class of amphibious warships built by Northrop Grumman Corp (NOC.N), has been certified as fit for sustained combat service, the U.S. Navy said on Friday.
The Navy declared the San Antonio, or LPD 17 class, had reached "initial operating capability" 12 years after its funding began.
"We've had some challenges to overcome with LPD 17," Rear Adm. Charles Goddard, program executive officer for ships, said in a statement. "But reaching this milestone is a testament to the collaborative efforts between the Navy and shipbuilding industry."
In an effort to stabilize the U.S. shipbuilding industrial base, Northrop Grumman, prime contractor for the LPD 17 class, said on March 31 it had awarded a subcontract to General Dynamics Corp (GD.N) for work on the eighth ship in the class, the Arlington. Terms were not disclosed.
The San Antonio is on track to deploy with the Iwo Jima expeditionary strike group later this year after wrapping up its crew's training, the Naval Sea Systems Command said.
Two other ships of the class, New Orleans and Mesa Verde, have been commissioned and are undergoing training before moving toward integrated operations with their future strike groups.
John B. Skillman, Commanding Officer of the USS New OrleansLieutenant Roy ZaletskiSEAL BEACH – A floating fortress built for combat, the USS New Orleans LPD 18 has a menacing stature and peculiar design that demands attention and boasts some of the newest technology in the Navy.The $1 billion ship and its crew are set for their maiden deployment in early 2009 – destination unknown, Davies said. (WE KNOW NOW.)
Commissioned: 2007
Length: 684 feet
Height: about 260 feet
Speed: 22 knots, about 24 mph
Crew: 361
Troops: 720
Source: The United States Navy
orleans ship davies navy seal beach port warship class uss weapons feet station officer war operations built stealthy radar ships massive served long set lpd naval puts board newest stands time crew early maiden amphibious cruiser enemy rare source san troops city missions public united commanding deployment design
TEMPORARY HOME: The USS New Orleans is docked at the Seal Beach Naval Weapons Station.
Pride Before The Fall...why are ACTIVE DUTY Military Letting the world know what ship they serve on Admiral Thorp? GOD, are you people REALLY THIS IGNORANT? Partial List of people who have identified they were or are stationed about the USS New Orleans...you can even sign up as a member of the site and have their EMAIL addresses...shaking head:
Parish, John
NEW
Howley, Ashley
By the way, how easy does the NAVY want to make it for people looking to coop a member of the military to find them...as example, this link in Navy Times http://www.navytimes.com/projects/careers/navy/petty_officers/e4/dc3_gse3/
Found by the way doing a Google Search of Ashley Howley above.
CAREER ENDED? TIME WILL TELL....
The author of this post is severly misinformed. The reports are able to seen and read by anyone who contacts Naval Reators and asks for them. They are a clear and concise recreations of the events which led up to the accident and the reprocutions of such even on the operational activity of the plant. Not to mention that there is a fleet wide (not just submarines) message that goes out stating revisions to operating procedures. It is instilled in EVERY nuclear operator comissioned by the navy that things only get worse if you lie about them. I have no reason to believe that this specific incident was a coverup and I have no reason to take you seriously as a journalist. Check your facts. Dont make assumptions.
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